Had a great introduction call with. She manages several MSP and on going relationship with suppliers of msps for their company. he did seem more senior then jen on the call. Most programs are not nuetral because they ahev a staffing arm BUT they do not do IT at all just general staffing and professional. They do most of their MSP in the Pharma. They do keep suppliers small, they have two or three max per a vertical, they have some new sales in process that they will include our capabilities with and will be reviewing exsiting client and hopefully be able to add us